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| I read the Quran in Arabic as a child. |
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I read the Quran in Arabic as a child. It has been many years and I no longer remember arabic. THe first few suras that I read in arabic, "the Cow" etc. were the same in meaning in arabic as they are in the english translation I am reading now. THe rest I don't know. I never read the entire Quran in arabic. I am reading it in its entirety now. I can see that I am at a disadvantage here because I cannot read it in Arabic and what ever I quote you now you will dismiss as a misinterpretation.
Your loyalty to Islam and your faith(I'm assuming you are muslim though I acknowledge you may just be educated on Islam) is quite noble. You seem to view Islam and the Quran as perfect and flawless.
Here's my next question. Do you know who wrote the Quran which has now become the basis of life for all muslims around the world? Was it god who put pen to paper? was it mohammed? You'll agree that it was neither. The Quran was written and compiled by the men who were mohammed's comrades and closest followers. Therefore, just for this fact that it was written by man, not in the presence of god nor Gabriel whom mohammed claimed enlightened him, I know the book is not perfect. This is before I even turn over the first page. I don't feel this way just about the Quran, I feel this way about all holy books. It is purely based on logic given to me by god. Man is not perfect, thus anything we create cannot be perfect. We are not God. God created us imperfect for a reason, I am thankful for his work in crating me as I am and I only strive to be the best person I can be in this life.
I want to tell you something, I believe you come across as very peaceful, good, kind, the kind of person whom I would want to learn from. I agree with so many things you speak of. Your soul as you mention seems good (I say seems because I don't know you).
You may think that I am lost, because I say I have questions, and I don't believe in any religion. I don't follow any holly book. I don't fear god. I think the idea of fearing god is absurd.
I look around me and I see people driven by fear do awful things when they think they can get away with it. And I look at two men I know to be the most noble, kind, caring, self sacrificing, purest me I have met in my life. They don't have any relation and they don't know each other. They are both atheists. The don't fear, they follow their conscience. One was raised by a devout muslim mother who never enforced islam on him, asked him once as a teenager if he wanted to go to mosque with her and he said no. This angel of a mother taught her son to have a conscience and to know what is right from wrong. She respected him, and didn't tell him that if he is an atheist he will be punished by her, god or anyone else. She taught him to respect others as a result. This man I know is incapable of harming a fly. He has morals, he has a conscience. He has peace in his life, he is peaceful. I know god loves him and will praise him for his existence on this earth.
The other man was raised as an atheist, but raised to be good. He also has a conscience. He is very much like the first man I described in character.
So you ask about my children. Yes I have two boys of a young age. Like any other children they are learning as they grow. Yes I give them timeout from time to time, if I feel their behaviour calls for it. They don't fear time out because in my home it is not a punishment. It is a few moments to reflect and talk about their actions, what harm their actions may have caused to themselves or others, why it was inappropriate, why they shouldn't repeat it. And yes, like other children they sometimes repeat their mistakes, it is not because they don't' fear the consequences, it is because their brains are growing and that's what children do at this stage. Trial and error, until they learn. And believe me they learn. I am amazed myself sometimes. I don't teach my children to fear god. I never will. I believe fear as a motivation to be good is flawed and insufficient. This is why so many people of faith around the world still commit crimes and do evil. It is not because they forgot about god or their faith, it is because they have not exercised their conscience. Fear of punishment cannot and never has nourished the soul. Their faith has failed to nourish and elevate their soul and conscience.
I am saddened that you fear god and that this is what drives you in life. I think you've missed the point. I would have liked to hear that it is your soul and conscience that drives you. I can see that you have both, so I tell you, you needn't fear god. A merciful and compassionate god is not to be feared.
You talk about rewards. do you think god would be more impressed with you if you go before him and say" God, I was god because I was afraid you'd punish me if I did bad things", or if you say "God, I was good because you gave me a conscience, logic and reason, and intelligence, and love and I used them all to nourish my soul and I was true to my conscience all my life."
To your point about misinterpretation of the Quran and Islam. You are right. There is a lot of room for that. Things can be lost in translation. The Quran states in various chapters that man is superior to woman, in different ways. I can see that you don't believe in this and I am happy to hear it. So if it is a mistranslation, why is it that in so many arab nations, there is a clear lack of inequality between men and women? Why is it that in almost all those nations, whether people practice Islam freely or not, women have lower status? get paid less for doing the same job as a man, if they are allowed to go to work everyday? is it because all those millions of arabs don't know how to read their own language? No. It is clear, they know what they are reading. In Islam if a husband and wife divorce, their children are automatically given to their father. If the mother wants to see her children again, she'll have to convince her ex somehow, or fight to see them. She doesn't have equal rights in a court of law to her own children.
In Islam, men can marry as many women as they can afford to support. Women do not have the same right. Men can marry girls as young as 9 years old as long as they are pubescent. Women cannot do the same. They do not have the same rights as men. These are a few more examples of inequalities propagated by Islam. Please don't dispute these. I noticed you didn't respond to my comment about grown men marrying little girls ( legalised pedophilia). Islam allows for temporary marriages the term is agreed upon by the parties and there is always money given to the girl or her family in exchange for the short term marriage. It can be from 60 minutes to 60 years for whatever amount of money they agree on.(legalized prostitution)
Don't tell me this is not Islam. The marriage is officiated by a man of the cloth, men whose sole education is on Islam. One of the Princes of Saudi takes full advantage of this law and has a recruiter that he sends to poor countries, to villages where people are in despair. The recruiter will find a young girls of 12,13, 14 years and propose marriage on behalf of the prince of Saudi. Promises the girl will be well taken care of and a sum of money which I'm sure is more that her family has ever laid eyes on is given to the family as dowry. A mullah or man of faith, someone who is supposed to know the Quran front to back, then marries the prince to the little girl, sometimes 2 or 3 at the same time. The prince then consummates this marriage with the terrified girls, and after he has had his fun he sends them to other saudi families as maids. his own sister exposed him on these actions in the 1990s. But you know what nothing he is doing is illegal. Islam says he can do this a mullah or Imam or whatever you wanna call that poor excuse for a human being officiates the marriage in accordance with the laws of Islam. And you know what Shawn that prince has a pretty clear conscience, because he doesn't believe he has committed a crime. Islam says he can do that, and the Quran keeps telling him he is superior to women, he can marry a 12 year old if he can afford it, and he can come onto her as he wishes. right after every one of those rights that the Quran gave to men, it tells them God is All Knowing, God is All wise. means don't worry, you're safe, do what you want. You want to marry a 12 year old, it's OK, God is on your side. Do you know why it constantly reminds people about God's all mighty, all knowing, and All wise status? because it has to reassure them that despite what their conscience or logic tells them "Do do this, it is not right to marry a 12 year old, she's just a child", they are not doing anything wrong. God allows it. It has to take that element of fear that you speak of out of the equation. After all, why not marry a 12 year old. if it was wrong, if it was pedophilia, surely the prophet mohammed himself would not have married a 9 year old! right.
Now, you and I both know that what this prince is doing is horrible. You have to accept the flaws within the religion to be able to move forward and improve.
The worse thing you can do is say, the religion is ALL good, nothing wrong with it, lets carry on. Now I know you don't live your life like the prince of Saudi. You don't believe this is Islam, you have already told me that. so I tell you, you are a good man who has created his own interpretation of Islam. You choose the good, and don't practice the bad.
But ignoring the bad is a sin in itself. By not pointing it out, by not acknowledging the wrong, you are simply allowing those who take full advantage of Islam's flaws to do things you and I know to be wrong. You are allowing that poor 12 year old girl to be exploited. You are allowing that poor woman who is being beheaded or hanged just based on mere suspicion of indecency by her husband who accuses her without proof. Why? because he doesn't need to have any according to the Quran.
Shawn I believe that if the Quran Is really the word of God, no one has the right to interpret the it, to try to figure out what it is that God wanted us to hear. To do that is to put yourself in god's place. There is no need for interpretation. It is what it is. It says what it says. If it is truly god's word, than it is arrogant of any human being to try to decipher it. If it says God favours men over women. it means just that. There is no other interpretation. We are not God, we cannot fathom what it may have been that god wanted to read between the lines when he said that. we have to take it as it is. period!
If it is God's word then surely you don't' believe that God was in some way unable to communicate what he wanted to say. God wouldn't have that problem right? If you believe that men and women are equal in God's eyes, then you cannot believe that the Quran is his word. Somewhere down the line you have made compromises to fit the two together with the noblest of intentions.
Shawn, I don't know if what I'm saying here is offensive to you. It is not my intention to undermine you faith, I simply don't have the power to do this. I do respect your views and your faith, I am just saying all this to express the reasons why I don't agree with it. But please know that I don't disrespect you or your faith with the things I've said. I've been known to come across quite blunt and tactless at times.
If you permit, I'd like to ask you one last question today. Is there anything in the Quran that you don't agree with? or Islam for that matter?
haha, I just realized I should have asked you that question first!!!! anyhow, thank you for giving me all this time, I really do appreciate it.
You have wished me peace at the end of every conversation, now I wish you the same...
May you have peace with God such that you don't fear him. God loves you. |
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